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Model Citizens: Leolulu

2 weeks ago

by: Andy

"It has to be something a little bit more."



Model Citizens is a model interview series brought to you by Pornhub. We're giving voice to those who matter most in this industry: the talent. 


In the age of access, anybody with a smartphone can become a politician, a poet, or a pornstar.

The tools of creation are unrestricted. The only barriers to success are taste and discipline.

This transformation of creative gatekeeping is making headlines in every mainstream industry; look no further than 2018's newest crop of SoundCloud rappers for evidence that today's most celebrated art is more often made in bedrooms than soundstages.

And porn is no different.

We spoke with everyone's favorite couple, Leolulu, to see what success looks like for at-home content creators who are anything but "amateur."


"I saw her walking on the beach in front of me, and I just had to go and talk to her."




Tell me how you met and how you started working together. 


Leo: We met five years ago at the beach. 

Lulu: At the beach in Berlin. I saw her walking on the beach in front of me and I just had to go and talk to her, and then we hung out a couple of times.

Leo: It worked out, and we've been together ever since.

Lulu: Sexuality has always been a big part of our relationship. We always liked to take pictures and make videos, but just for us in the beginning.

Leo: For a year, we didn't live in the same city. I often took some nice pictures and invested some more time on them. I really liked this part, so we started to enjoy showing ourselves.

Lulu: Yeah, exactly, showing off. We wanted to do something with that, so we started doing cam shows. That worked well for a while, but wasn't really our thing.

Leo: It takes a lot of time.

Lulu: Time and effort and energy, and you have to have a certain regularity.

Leo: And we worked a lot so...

Lulu: We both had fulltime jobs at the time, so it was quite complicated. We started publishing our cam shows on Pornhub, and then we realized that the video format was better for us than live shows...

Leo: Yes, we could invest more time and just be more creative. He liked the idea of producing something and just being creative and testing it out.

Lulu: Yeah, exactly - you have an idea, you try it out, and you control everything that you're about to publish. You can watch it again and again before you publish anything. That was really important for us and we really liked it.

Leo: But we did actually make some videos already before, we recorded ourselves and said that we liked it, but…

Lulu: For Pornhub, we tried to make it look good, for those who appreciate certain aesthetics.


Your videos and photos look amazing. What kind of cameras and lighting equipment do you use?
Lulu: Well, at first, for 80% of our videos, we just shot near a window and used a cell phone camera like the iPhone 5 or 6.

Leo: Yeah, it's the easiest.

Lulu: We only had cell phone cameras, and at first you don't really make money so you can’t invest in equipment. So we just took what we had and tried to make it work. So we could see that when we filmed ourselves in bed, the quality was shitty and there was no light.

Leo: Yeah, when we lived in Paris, it’s often really grey and cloudy. You don’t have much choice of where to go.

Lulu: It was basically one corner where the light hits the wall, where there's enough light to shoot. So we always shoot in this corner.

At the end of last year we bought a camera, a Panasonic GX80 that somebody advised us to buy because it wasn’t too expensive. 

Leo: Not so complicated, also dependable.

Lulu: So we had a good quality option for beginners. And we're very satisfied with it. We really enjoy having this much detail and this kind of quality in our videos - you can really see the difference.

But then we also changed our way of filming, because when we had the iPhone we would just put it against a couple of books on the table so it stayed still. With the camera we could at least move a bit and have better angles, and action cams too.

Leo: We played outdoors a lot, and it's just not possible with a real camera.

People look at you. With people around it's just not that easy, so we started shooting with action cameras.

Lulu: We invested in an action cam. That was mainly for public videos and outdoor stuff, because it's easy to carry and easy to hide. It's not noticeable when you take it out and start filming, nobody looks at you, nobody sees it.

Leo: Yeah. But actually, even though we've got a good camera, we often still take our cell phones, just because we’re used to carrying them. Sometimes we don't plan to film, so it’s good to always have a backup camera like your phone.

Lulu: We spend a lot of time after the video to make it look as nice as we can, but before the video we don't really prepare much. We just start and hopefully we have good lighting at the time, but that's it.


"Then we just start fucking and set the camera somewhere."



What do you do to prepare before you shoot?
Leo: One funny thing is, whenever we prepare for shooting we think, "Yeah, let's stay in this position, we like the framing and background," but then you don’t always capture everything in the video. It’s often spontaneous. There are some videos where we're dressed in pajamas or whatever and we didn't set up at all. There are so many videos which could have been way better if we had just sat there and thought about it for a minute.

Lulu: Sometimes we do try to plan at least the location and the outfits. We try to at least have an idea of what we want to do. Like, "let's try to do a video there, in this corner or on this furniture or in this location," and, "Oh, yeah, I should dress up like this and like that."

Leo: Yeah, or sometimes it's just that you've got a nice outfit and you want to film in it.

Lulu: Then we just start fucking and set the camera somewhere.

Afterwards, there's a lot of work to decide what to keep and try to zoom in to hide our faces.

What software do you use for editing?
Lulu: We use Premiere Pro



If somebody doesn't have a lot of money for equipment, what's something simple and easy that they could do to improve their videos?
Lulu: If the camera is shitty, you have to have a lot of light. That's the main thing to have good quality, even with a shitty camera.

Leo: Go outside on a sunny day.

Lulu: Or even just get close to the window and try to make something innovative in the action - something creative in terms of action or situation. If the quality is shitty and you do basic sex acts, people can see that on pretty much every video. But if there is something a bit creative, a bit interesting, people don't care about the shitty quality. They just want to see what's going on.

Even a nice outfit or funny situation in the beginning, but it has to be a bit different than just the norm. It has to be something a little bit more.


Did you read up on video production at all, or you just figured it out by doing it?
Lulu: Just by doing it.

Leo: If ever we don’t know how to do something, we can always watch videos on YouTube.

Lulu: Yeah, you try. When you don't know how to do it, you watch stuff on YouTube and then you repeat and repeat and repeat until you master the skills a bit.

Leo: Yeah, I hate Premiere Pro but I got used to it.  *Laughs*

Lulu: Yeah, but in just a year you made a lot of progress.

Leo: It’s cool to see that our videos look better than they did in the beginning. It shows that you actually advanced and improved.


Do you pay much attention to your audio?

Leo: Not at all.

Lulu: I mean, in the beginning we tried to put some music in the room, but it was mainly for us, not for the video. Just because it's much easier to get in the mood when there's music, if you're fucking in front of the camera.

Leo: Yeah, and also we just enjoy ourselves and we always have music – no music would be just strange for us, I guess.

But no, we don't use any extra equipment or anything to make the sound higher quality.

Lulu: Just some music in the introduction and that's it.



"That's what we always wanted to do."



Your recent photoset taken in the jungle looks amazing. What was it like filming in that location?
Lulu: Amazing. We were on holiday just going around with the camera and filming a few bits here and there. We really loved it - that's what we always wanted to do. Now that we are quite popular on Pornhub and we can keep making videos, that's what we want to do. We want to keep going places and finding nice locations to shoot.

Leo: We really enjoy being like in nature or outside. We both come from a city and whenever we can, we try to go out and just play with our videos. We like going outside as much as possible because it's just more exciting - or at least it's what we enjoy most, so that's what we wanna show. 

Your Instagram account was recently shut down, but you're still on Twitter. How important is social media for you in terms of marketing and promotion?
Lulu: For us it's very important for marketing. We enjoy showing ourselves mainly because of the feedback - mainly because we get comments and messages and stuff like that. They either make us happy or laugh, or triggers some kind of reaction.

Leo: Yeah, it just wouldn't be fun if we had 100 views on our videos and nobody commenting, right?

Leo: It wouldn't feel like anybody would actually see them.

Lulu: Yeah, this is why for us it's also important. On Instagram, we had a lot of people on our page.

Leo: We were actually private, so it was only people really interested in us.

Lulu: So we really had a connection with everybody there. When we posted something in our story, we had tens of thousands of people looking at it or answering in the polls or sending messages and comments. This is a big part of what we do, talking with them and trying to find out what they would want to see next. And also, of course, promoting our content and telling them whenever there's a new video, or whenever we're preparing something for the next one.

[Ed. note: follow their backup Instagram account @iamlululeo]

What's something that your fans can do to help support you and other models and performers?
Leo: Like and comment on our videos! And share them on social media and with your friends.

Lulu: Anything helps! Put a thumbs-up on the videos, put comments to say what you like, or what you would like to see in the next one, and, yeah, just keep watching. 

Thanks to our favorite travelers for putting the "lust" back into "wanderlust." Check out their brand new website, and follow Leo and Lulu on Pornhub, Twitter and Instagram to keep up with their escapades.


Pornhub Authors continues with DanieLuv telling us their secrets to Pornhub success. This is the first in a series from DanieLuv based on their observations and insights as successful Pornhub models.



A month ago my boyfriend and I (DanieLuv) started out on the Model Payment Program with Pornhub, and I must say, it’s been great to us. In only 30 days we racked up 200,000 views, and are on the fast track to succeed as amateur porn stars. This, however, came from many an email with the fantastic support team for small questions. But what if you need answers right now? I’m here to help.

Here's my step-by-step guide to Model Payment Program success:

1. Sign up for the Model Payment Program

I won’t go too far into this one, as Pornhub has a great FAQ section that will help you get set up. Essentially you create an account, become verified by submitting IDs, and apply for the model payment program. You’ll have to set up all your payment information, but everything is quite straight forward for all of this. I recommend signing up as soon as you know you want to start submitting videos, as it may take a week or so for you to complete the entire process.

2. Make Friends!

So how on earth did we get so many video views in such a short amount of time? Our biggest secret weapon was adding as many friends as possible. When you add friends, they’ll often subscribe to you. Perhaps they’d never discover you from their searches, but when you send them a friend request they get curious and check out your page. Ta-da! New subscriber!

Pornhub only allows you to friend so many people at a time. Use the filters to find the best people to friend. I found it beneficial to friend people in my own city to start with, as it excites people knowing they could run into you on the street, and provides for loyal followers. You may not be comfortable with this, and that’s fine too. If you’re a female, you’ll want to search for people who are into females, and vice versa for men. You can sort by popular users or newest users, and each can be handy depending on your situation. Play with the filters, and you’ll find the right people to target.

Note: Pornhub will only allow you to friend so many people at once. If you wait an hour or two, it will let you do it again. So if you happen to be online frequently, you can periodically friend 10-20 people, and continue to do so.

3. Interact with Your Fans

When you get messages from friends and fans, reply! Be friendly! People love watching someone they’re actually somewhat acquainted with, and this will help build loyal fans. Of course, there are instances you just do not want to deal with what someone said. But for those messages you’re comfortable with, have a chat! You both enjoy porn, after all.

4. How Often Should You Upload?

I find uploading a new video 2-4 times a week is sufficient. This pops new videos up in the search results, while also advising your subscribers that you have something new. In both cases, many will also look at your older videos if they like what they see. You could upload every day, and this would probably help you even more, but damn, having enough time to have sex, edit, and upload every single day may wear you out. Shoot for 2-4 times a week.


5. Times of Day to Upload

I work well in the middle of the night and early hours of the morning. Unfortunately, this is not prime porn watching time, and I want my videos to pop up for anyone who should search the right terms and sort by newest. Try to upload near the evening or early night. Just remember it may take a while, depending on your internet connection and file size to upload. Plus, there is some time Pornhub spends converting the video, which can vary depending on the file. Aim to upload your video approximately two to three hours before you want it to go live.

6. Thumbnails

Oh, thumbnails. These make or break your views. You could have the most awesome video everyone is going to cum to in a fraction of a second, but no one is going to see it if you don’t reel them in with a good thumbnail. I always try to catch my video as soon as it’s converted so that the proper thumbnail is up right away. I’ll regenerate thumbnails for that perfect one 10 times if I have to. Of course, sometimes you just don’t find a good thumbnail. Go with the best one you can possibly find. This is worth spending some time on.

7. Titles

Along with the thumbnail, a good title is what is going to reel someone in. You may be great at titles, but I am not. Oftentimes I’ll look up similar videos with tons of views, and use a combination of what those videos were called to come up with my own title.

8. Editing and Multiple Camera Angles

You totally don’t have to edit or have multiple camera angles, but it can definitely help. Sometimes I’ve set up a camera and thought it was in golden position… only to find out it was crap, and my head is cut out of half the video. Fortunately, I always film with at least two cameras on tripods or a steady surface. If you have a third you can keep close by for POV shots, you’re gold.

Stay tuned for the next article where DanieLuv share more of their insights. For more great content like this, check out their website, and make sure to follow them on Pornhub, Instagram, Twitter and Tumblr.


Pornhub Authors continues with insights from MattieDoll on transitioning from camming to producing videos, voyeurism, and how to stay independent as a content creator.



A few years ago, I discovered a chat website that allowed you to webcam face to face with strangers. I spent hours on the website, chatting & meeting people who had similar interests. Innocent stuff. But it wasn't long before I'd be spread eagle on my bed -- fingering, and cumming for random various men (& women!) online. It was pure ecstasy.

Around this time is when I discovered that this is what got me off. It wasn't until much later that, thanks to the industry, I'd learn the terms "voyeur" and "exhibitionist." 

I quickly identified with these fetishes because, though they were always there, I had no clue what to call them.

I knew that I wanted to take it to the next level, whatever that was. I wanted thousands more to be able to see my pleasure! But I didn't know how to make this a reality. Professional porn was off the table completely for me, mostly because the idea of signing a contract with a company regarding my body did not seem ideal. I was completely unaware of the growing online community of amateurs making home-made porn in their very own bedrooms, from their own homes.



One night while browsing Pornhub, my "go-to" website for years now, I came across an ad for the Model Payment Program

"Make up to $10,000 a month uploading amateur videos!" 

"Get verified!" 

It was intriguing, to say the least. I'd never filmed a video before. Everything I had ever done was live, but the decision couldn't have been easier for me. I got verified, filmed my first video and uploaded it to Pornhub. Just like that! I had no idea that 2 years later, Pornhub would launch me into solid career-building opportunities. That I could be completely independent without the confines of a contract, & still be considered a pornstar! 

Shortly after I began uploading videos to Pornhub, the feedback came rolling in. Both positive & negative. I took both into consideration, always! 

"Why haven't you considered camming?" My emails would read.

"I'd love to watch you live & tip you!"



After researching, it immediately struck my interest, and I was ready to fully go public. I entered the cam-world, and they welcomed me with open arms and showered me with attention. I was able to use camming as a technique to draw more attention to my Pornhub channel, bringing in subscribers by the thousands. I was growing at such a rate that it was hard to keep up! Being completely new to the idea & platforms, I had to brand myself quickly, find my niche, & more importantly, pay attention to what my audience wanted.

Because of my innocent looks, I became the "girl-next-door", donning school girl uniforms, miniskirts, and no makeup. I knew that I looked like the girl that you'd never know had dirty secrets. And truly, that idea turned me on as well. Knowing that just walking down the street no one knew my hidden online identity -- an online slut. My "MattieDoll" persona will always live on the interwebs!


And Pornhub made that a possibility for me. I am forever grateful to all of my subscribers, Pornhub as a platform & community, and to all of the other amateurs who have inspired me as well. Thank you!

Love, MattieDoll.



Thanks so much to MattieDoll for contributing. Keep up with her on Twitter and Pornhub.


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"When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

Ginger Banks


Model Citizens is a new interview series brought to you by Pornhub. We're giving voice to those who matter most in this industry: the talent. 


Sex workers are smart. They’re savvy. When you’re marginalized for the work that you do, you get creative. You find ways to accomplish what you need to, to stay profitable, to stay safe.


In 2018, that means embracing new technologies and above else, new attitudes.


Ginger Banks embodies all of those qualities. She’s leading the vanguard of sex workers and models who are embracing new tech like blockchain and cryptocurrency. And she’s also got a few choice words for anybody who thinks they don’t need to treat sex workers like people.


We talked diversifying your investments, flaccid serial killers, golden showers during the Great Depression, and how the public can support sex workers day-to-day.



Tell us a little bit about what you do.


My name is Ginger Banks, and I have been a sex worker and a webcam model for eight years now. I just recently filmed my first professional mainstream porn film, so that will be coming out at the end of May. I'm really excited for my fans to see that.


I just love sex, and I love getting to share that with the world. I think I have the best job that could ever exist.


I wanted to reference something that you tweeted recently. You said, "Sex is natural," and then in a follow-up tweet you said, "It really makes me think about how many problems the stigma surrounding sex has contributed to the world." What are some of those problems?


I think a lot of violence has been caused by the stigma that surrounds sex, because it’s so ingrained in every single one of us. The more I learn about sex and individual stories of repression and lack of communication in families and how it's affected people, the more serious it seems.


"A lot of violence has been caused by the stigma that surrounds sex."


I vividly remember hearing about this serial killer who would kidnap men just so he could look at their dicks get hard, because his wouldn't get hard, and he just wanted to know what was going on. He couldn't talk about it with his parents because they were so against sex. So that's why he would kidnap people, just to look at their dicks get hard. He just wanted to talk to someone, to hear someone say, "Look, sometimes physically your dick doesn't get hard, and that's normal. Nothing to be ashamed of." We need to tell people that, with so many different things. There's nothing to be ashamed of. This thing that you're feeling is normal.


I'm bisexual. So I try to think, there have to be men out there that are bisexual, too, and the way society views that is, for some reason, I can be bisexual but a man can't. That's another thing I think a lot of people would hold onto shame inside of them if they're going through their whole life being told, "You can't be this way." "You have to be gay." "You have to be straight." That's confusing, especially when you know you like more than one gender or more than one sex. You are attracted to more than one, so telling people you have to fit into this tiny little box can be confusing.


I think we really wanna make things black and white, but most issues in this world are a shade of gray. It's just super complicated.


Do you feel like that's getting better with the way identity politics are more talked about, or do we still have a long way to go?


I think it's totally getting better from when I grew up. My dad would say things like, "We'd beat that guy’s ass if he said he was gay." I think even my parents have changed in regards to that, some, but I do think there is a lot of pushback. When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.


So it makes sense. You have been in a position of power. People don't wanna give up that position of power. Certain people are naive to that and what's going on, they see that a lot of people who normally were pushed to the side are not being pushed to the side anymore.


There’s also progress being made on individual kinks. People are able to connect with each other and be like, "Wait, you like getting peed on, too? Wait, wait." If you're not hurting anyone else, I truly don't think that there's anything wrong with what you are doing. It's your body. You should be able to choose what you wanna do with it, and I'm just gonna encourage people to live their best life, and that means not shaming whatever happens inside of you naturally. Because then you're hating yourself. You end up hating yourself because it's part of you.


Do you think the internet is making it easier for people to find others like them?


Yes, definitely. I'm sure in the 1930s someone could go their entire life wondering, for example, "Why do I get turned on by urine? There must be something wrong with me. I have to be the only person in the world that is like this."


And now the internet's here, and people are like, "Wait, so a lot of people like it?" Not that that should make it any more acceptable - if you are the only person in the world with a piss fetish, that's fucking fine as long as you have another consenting adult peeing on you. That should extend to a lot of things, not even in regards to sex. Like, people have such strong opinions when it comes to tattoos or other things like that. Why do you feel the need to have such an opinion on how someone else lives their life, if it's not negatively affecting you or anyone else?


Why is there this need to police other people's behavior that way?


Constantly. And a lot of conservative values are about less intervention in people's lives and, yet, it does seem like those are the people who tend to make the laws and these social norms that are very intrusive into people's lives, and what they're doing in the privacy of their own home.


Elaborating on that a bit, what can we as a society do to treat sex workers and porn performers better?


I think that getting to know us and realizing that we're all just humans is really important. A lot of abuse starts with people not seeing a group of people as humans - any sort of marginalized group of people. It starts with the fact that they dehumanize you, and there's a lot of things that cause that. It's a long process. I mean, I used to make jokes about strippers and prostitutes growing up, and it's taken me years to change.


"Abuse starts with people not seeing [others] as human."



So people have to wanna change, and there's a lot of really socially conscious people out there that, for some reason, still treat sex workers as second-class citizens. I just wanna get those people to question the way that they're thinking because, if it's not okay to treat one group of people poorly, it shouldn't be okay to treat another group of people poorly.


There seems to be this idea that all sex workers have no autonomy.


That part does kind of intrigue me, too, because I don't know if it is maybe stuff that the media says constantly, trying to say that every sex worker has been trafficked. But that is the vibe I get from a lot of the comments that I read on articles about sex work, is, "Well, most of them are forced into it," or, "Most of them had no choice." If someone has been forced into this industry, don't you think bringing it to light, making it decriminalized, all of these things that actually help those people in the end, are worth doing? I do. I don't think pushing it to the side and treating it the way it does helps those people at all; when these abusers can use the fact that you were a prostitute against you to keep you in that position, it seems like an obvious solution.


I've spoken to sex trafficking victims, and they say, "I've gone to the police. They said, 'You're just a hooker. Nobody cares.'" But the media puts out this idea of sex trafficking that it's, like, the mafia trying to kidnap 20 girls at once - when, in reality, it's a boyfriend, or a dad, or a husband, or a wife forcing someone that they're close to into the sex trade industry, not some mafia boss. It's a much more complicated system.


"In reality, it's a boyfriend, or a dad, or a husband, or a wife... not some mafia boss."


We always wanna make it black and white. Imagining a mafia boss is so much easier than imagining this more complicated system of sex trafficking and what it really is, and the fact that it happens in the garment industry, in so many different industries, and nobody calls for the abolition of those industries. Yet, they call for the abolition of sex work all the time.


All of these anti-sex trafficking organizations are usually anti-prostitution organizations if you really look at what they're doing. Are they choosing not to listen to us? Because I see a lot of people who say, "I've never spoken to a consensual sex worker in my life," and it just blows my mind because I follow thousands of them on social media.


People wanna find evidence that backs up what they already believe. They don't wanna challenge themselves.


I think that that's what social media does a lot to us, is it's putting us in our bubbles. That's one thing I'm trying so hard to do - I know I'm kind of in a sex worker bubble. That's why I try and do as many interviews in the mainstream as possible, because I know if I'm just staying on Twitter, unless someone follows me, I'm pretty much pushed to the side in terms of how Twitter works. I can't reach as many people, so I have to go on these interviews. I have to talk to people to get out of that sex worker social media-created bubble.


We're curated to only see things that we agree with, you know?


How can sex workers take care of themselves if society won't do it?


They can start by investing in other sorts of businesses that aren't related to sex work. This is a hypothetical - if things aren't gonna get changed, maybe they get worse. Start taking some of your money and putting it into other things that can make you money without sex work, if you have the ability to do so. I know a lot of people don't have the ability to do so.


There are a lot of lawyers out there who are offering seminars. There's someone on Twitter named pornlaw, and he has been offering some full-service sex worker seminars on how to stay safe in the new environment post-SESTA and FOSTA.


Are there any ways that new tools or technologies are helping sex workers take back autonomy?


Yeah. Blockchain technology will be at the future and the forefront of this sexual and technological revolution that we're going through. I can see blockchain being integrated into so many different types of sex work in so many different ways. It's kind of like when the internet first started coming out, a lot of people didn't understand what the internet was and how it could be utilized in so many different ways.


Blockchain ... will be at the forefront of this sexual and technological revolution.



Once you start to learn about blockchain and how many different ways it can be utilized and how it helps decentralize things and it gives people back their autonomy, you realize that that's what we need. Because when there's only a few payment processors or, let's say, Airbnb in the future is the only place you can rent from, we don't want that. We want individual people being able to control how they accept money and who they accept money from. That's why cryptocurrency is gonna be a huge part of the future - because it eliminates the middlemen.


"Cryptocurrency is gonna be a huge part of the future - because it eliminates the middlemen."


So many industries have middlemen that just take a huge percentage of your money. And with the chargebacks involved in the adult entertainment industry, how you have to pay a higher percentage of your profits to payment processors, it seems like an obvious solution.


When you hear these articles saying how bad it is, you need to look at the source of these articles. You need to think about who's going to suffer from blockchain becoming the norm. Who has tons of money in the U.S. dollar, and who is trying to keep it the way it is? Because there are so many people out there saying, "It's a bubble. Don't put your money in it. Stay away. Be scared." And those are the types of things where you need to go, okay, this person is trying to use my fear against me. Now I need to take a deeper look.


How have you integrated crypto into your business?


I have been working with a new company called SpankChain. They started a beta cam site where you get paid in Ethereum. I am also trying to plan out my future production company, and I really, really want to integrate blockchain into this process. I have a few plans that are gonna be a bit complicated without smart contracts being executed. So I'm gonna try and reach out to SpankChain. I actually was typing out a text message to them when you called, asking them, "Hey, do you think smart contracts could help me with this problem that I'm having in my future planning of my production company?"


How are you using media and technology to market and promote yourself?


Social media has completely changed the game in regards to advertising and marketing. You can spend zero dollars. I mean, however much you value your time, obviously, is how much it's gonna cost you, but you're not gonna have to spend one dollar in that budget if you are good at it.


Twitter and Reddit are your best friends. Any site that allows porn, obviously, should be your main focus. If you're good at putting out safe for work content, you have a plethora of it that is actually safe for work, if it's not see-through lingerie, it's not any of that, then you can try Instagram and some of these other avenues, but just start with Twitter. Start with Reddit. Learn how to use them. Figure out what hashtags are popular on Twitter, which hashtags are popular on other forms of social media. People masturbate on social media.


\The more you engage with your followers, the more you get loyal customers because they're like, "Holy shit, did she just really talk to me? Like, for real? Did that person just follow me back? What?" You get to make people's days. You get to make them happy, and then they become actual good customers.


"The more you engage with your followers, the more you get loyal customers."


I've been doing something where I follow back people who interact on my non-sexual posts, people who are like, "Oh, she's a person." And those are the ones that genuinely buy my stuff and treat me well. They're like, "She's a person. I wanna interact with her non-sexually." Those are the people you need to try and focus your attention on, because I used to follow people back who would tweet a picture of my vagina, and the quality of my followers was not as good. So I started interacting with people who cared about more than just my vagina.


You objectify yourself in a way. You're like, "Ugh, I'm a sexual woman.” Society just tells us, you're an object, in a way, so you're like, "I'll just keep that to myself. I'll only talk about the cool things that I like. I'll only talk about sports." But once you start being yourself, then you get way better followers.


I think everybody in any industry, or even in their personal lives, is using social media as a form of posturing. But you're saying, if you toss that aside and go for a more authentic vibe, you're gonna see better results.


Yeah. I think that's a huge problem in a lot of places, is people go online, and they're not their true, authentic self. Because of that, they think they can treat people differently than they would in person. And that causes people to do things they would never do - terrible things, mean things. That's what I always try and get these guys to think: all right, I know I post pictures of my vagina all the time, but if I'm talking about how I just found my dog not breathing on the ground and you're gonna say, "I'm gonna make you not breathe with my cock down your throat," that's inappropriate. Like, that… no. Respond like that when I'm posting a GIF of me gagging on a dildo. Don't say that when I'm talking about my dog laying there. There are certain times when it's appropriate to be sexual and when it's not appropriate to be sexual, and I'm not always being sexual. That's so obvious.


I think it's a sexual woman problem, too. When I was doing my research a video I made about Ron Jeremy back in November, I was reading articles about how he allegedly sexually assaulted a customer at a sex toy store. And someone said, the person writing the article - it makes me gag that this is actually a writer who said this - was like, "What was she doing there? Was she trying to be Kim Kardashian or something? What did she expect?"


It's like as soon as you open up yourself sexually a little bit, or you show that you are a sexual woman, a lot of things in society have indicated that it's okay to do whatever you want with her. And I think it's just now, recently, where we're like, "Maybe not."


We're starting to get a little better.


It seems like the world is kind of collectively waking up from the bullshit. It's weird. After all that Harvey Weinstein shit, they're like, "Wait, if we just, like, talk about what happened, potentially, people will actually be held responsible for their behavior." Shouldn't that be how it happened? Isn't that how it should've been in the past?


There are lots of services and apps that are coming out that are ways for sex workers to stay secure or to stay safe. I'm thinking of switter and Mastodon, Verge, SpankChain, ProtonMail. Do you use a lot of different services like that, or are there some that aren't worth it?


I personally have been kind of lazy switching over to ProtonMail, just because I have so much stuff associated with my Gmail account right now, but it's on my list of to-dos.


I think that I live a very privileged life. I work in a very privileged type area of sex work because I don't interact with people very much in person, so I'm not more subject to the criminalization and stigmatization that comes along with that. So I personally don't use those things, but I think it's really important that the government stops interfering with those things - it makes no sense to me how taking away these safeguards is going to do anything but make these legal consensual sex workers at risk for more danger.


Sex workers use those services to figure out who was a violent client and to not go to them, and they're trying to take away those resources. So that's scary.


How do you stay on top of new tech and new developments in the industry?


I spend a lot of time on Reddit, and there's a lot of people who imagine what the future is gonna be like and talk about different forms of technology. There's this new site called Steemit. It's kind of like Reddit, but when you write something, if someone upvotes it, you get paid for it, or if someone comments, you get paid for it. So I'm gonna start utilizing that - you get paid in cryptocurrency. Because I love Reddit, and it's just like Reddit, except you get paid for it. What?


How long has it been since you stopped drinking?


It's been about two years and three months since I stopped.




I stopped for three months, and then I had a little relapse. I was coming back from Hawaii one time. I was so sad leaving Hawaii. And, after that, I stopped again right away, which is awesome, and it's been two years since then.


I've gone to two events sober, which is awesome compared to the one I went to when I was drinking. When I went to the one drinking, I was hungover every morning. I left early every night because I'd been drinking. I was tired. I'd been drinking all day at the expo, and then I would drink at the parties; compared to when I was sober, I got so much more done. I did an interview every morning this last year. It was amazing. And just so many negative things came from me drinking alcohol. I am an addict, so when I have something, I use it all. Like, there's no feeling of, "Oh, I feel satisfied. I drank enough beer," or, "I smoked enough weed." It's always smoke, smoke, smoke, drink, drink, drink until it's gone.


So once I realized that, and I started to realize that I did that because of my anxiety... I always heard the words “self-medicate” or “numb your pain”, and I always assumed, “oh, they must be talking about people who were abused.” I wasn't abused, so it can't be me. And then I realized, “oh, you can do that just from your anxiety or from your nervousness.” I just thought I was always nervous, you know.


And, realizing that, seeing how my poor behavior when I would drink would affect my boyfriend and my sister and my family members, was key to me changing. My ex-boyfriend was one of the people who said, "If you don't stop, I'm gonna have to leave you," because it was affecting him so much. I would black out, wake up in the morning, and he would just... like, I would know I would have done things to him that were terrible, and just been so mean to him. I'm glad that he was there to be kind of a mirror, in a way, for me to get to see how my behavior was hurting someone else. But, at the same time, I feel terrible for having put him through that. So it's been a journey. I'm growing as a person, and I think it's really important to talk about this stuff.


"I'm growing as a person, and I think it's really important to talk about this stuff."



Steve-o is the person who got me to first think, "Man, do you have a problem?" He's sober, too, and in his book, he was talking about his struggle with sobriety. The more I learn about addicts and how they have recovered, it helps me learn how to stay sober and help other people stay sober. Hearing how I've helped contribute to other people's sobriety is so amazing. Like, when people reach out to me and say, "Hey, you're the reason I got sober," that's so fucking cool.


The fact that I have 200,000 people following me on Twitter is a huge responsibility, I think, because I see the way people have positively influenced me in my life. And I can choose to go on there, and I can put out negativity, and I can just be, you know, whatever, or I can choose to try and positively influence as many lives as possible. And that's how I wanna use my position of power, privilege, wherever I am right now. And so that's cool that I can help do that. I'm just about to try and stop smoking weed, too, because I do feel a lack of motivation when I smoke.


I feel so much more motivated when I'm not smoking, but my followers were so much more supportive when I stopped drinking than when I tried to stop smoking weed in the past. Because all the stoners come out of the woodwork and they're like, "There's nothing wrong."


I’m like, well, I spend so much money, and I do it all the time. Don't tell me that's not a problem.


Let me know if you figure out how to beat that one.


*Laughs* I'll let you know in about three years.


Was it hard to get used to working sober?


Oh, yeah.


You used to drink when performing, and then you had to kind of relearn how to do it?


Yeah, that was one of the things that actually helped me stop. One or two times I woke up the next day, and I didn't remember getting off cam. And that terrified me, that I was online black out drunk. Like, what could I have said? What could I have done? No. So that was hard because people pay so much money to give you alcohol. Let's be real. It's just like in the real world when you go out to a bar. They wanna get you drunk because you get sluttier. I do. That's why I did it. It just makes the job easier. Of course it does. People will pay you $50 to take a drink of your wine. Like, oh, my God.


But it gets easier every day to work without alcohol. Anybody can do it.


You’ll be at the Pornhub cabana at CamCon in Miami this month.


Yeah! Come say hi. I love meeting my fans.


I’ll also be at the Sex Worker’s March in downtown Las Vegas on June 2nd – please come support if you’re able.



Thanks and love to Ginger for sharing her story with us. Go check her out on Twitter and Pornhub.

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